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Ipad Air 2 32gb Minecraft Pocket Edition Lag Test
Source: https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-pocket-edition/mcpe-discussion/1968251-why-do-people-say-nether-is-impossible-for-pe
#1 Nov 25, 2012
I don't understand why people say devices "can't handle it" with the current advancement rates of phones and tablets we are well into reaching the same capacities as laptops and desktop computers which run minecraft just fine. All this talk about "not being able to handle it" I'm curious to know are we talking about every mobile device that runs pocket edition? Or just those lower capacity ones? The lower capacity makes sense but with the current release of iPhone 5 and iPad 4, a nether in pocket edition should be runable with little lag. People said the same thing about survival mode and mob spawning before they were released and how they claimed it was "impossible" But those came I be. So why can't the nether also come? I do love the nether machine and is cool and all but I would rather have the real nether rather than the machine. Your thoughts?
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#3 Nov 25, 2012
well its a couple things:
1. Johan and co.don't want to leave the old devices behind.
2. Phone storage differs by the manufacturer, and a phone like the iPhone 5 is able to handle games like GTA 3, a game made 10 years ago.
3. specs also differ per manufacturer.
4.you say the nether could run with no lag, but PC minecraft is having Nether lag issues, and the phone is few years away from the specs of a new PC today.
5. the MCPE team never said survival was impossible they just had to tweak it and make it work, now they just flat out say it's not gonna work.
so that's why the Nether is impossible(for now).
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#4 Nov 25, 2012
I honestly believe it's possible, they say that because the don't want to leave the older devices behind. Heres my thought on it... having the ability to go to the nether is not going to lag the phone (old or new), only when we try and go to the nether will the older devices lag, so therefore it should be added to the game and people with older devices should just deal with the lag or just not go to the nether... there holding back the entire mcpe development
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#5 Nov 25, 2012
well if you're a dev you have to ask yourself: "am I going to cater to the lower percent of people with new phones or am I going to cater to the whole industry"
how do you think they make more money?
no one is not going to buy the game because there isn't a nether, but someone will say "I don't want to buy that game, the nether doesn't support my device".
I personally know that I got SO mad at Rockstar when my phone wasn't supported to play GTA 3, that I completely ignored they're games until I got a new phone.
Mojang doesn't want that.
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#6 Nov 25, 2012
I will explain as good as I can, since I do not know nothing about computers nor coding:
When you have a cave, there are air blocks in them, after the airblocks, there are stone blocks, so if you changed the dirt texture to transparent, you would see the caves, like "faces" your graphics card renders, now, you say "but chunks are loaded!" and I say "you are a complete moron, sir" why? Because even if they are loaded, they are not loaded, or rendered in your screen, every single time you move, you render different faces (that's why blocks are 16x16 so they dont lag and melt your pc) and thus lags old devices with old graphics card, and because johan focuses on old devices, we don't have caves yet.
And what caves have to do with nether... Well, if you haven't seen the nether, is just like a big weird cave.
Ps: how stupid would it be if notch focused on windows 2000 with 512 mb ram and 800 ghz pentium 1...
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Sorry about my english, my native language is spanish!
If you put 20$ in a box, I put 20$ in the box too and then I sell you the box for 30$, we both make a 10$ profit, right?
#7 Nov 25, 2012
1. Johan could make it so only capable devices can enter the nether.
2. Actually, iPhone 5 can handle more than GTA 3 and I'm sure soon apps will come out that will truly test it's limits
3. Agreed but overall specs will be the same
4. I never said "no lag" I said little lag and I know the computer version has lag too but pocket edition shouldn't suffer too much from it with current gen devices.
5. I wasn't referring to the mcpe dev team, I was referring to the people who claimed devices could not handle survival. These same people are now claiming the nether is impossible and I want to know exactly why.
Still doesn't answer how it's impossible
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#8 Nov 25, 2012
Nether lag was fixed in Minecraft PC update 1.4.5
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#9 Nov 25, 2012
That is exactly what leaving the older devices behind is.
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#10 Nov 25, 2012
Not nessisarily, the other users can do everything in pocket edition just not enter the nether and they could acquire nether materials through the machine instead. Leaving them behind is saying "okay future mcpe updates will no longer be compatible with these iOS/android devices because they updated require a better processor so if you don't get a better phone/tablet than too bad. So you wouldn't nessisarily be leavin them behind this way. Just some updates will be exclusive for devices with a better processor however these users will still gain everything else possible on the lower capacity devices
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#11 Nov 25, 2012
What you said right here make little to no sense. Johan is not as cold hearted as you are sounding right now. You are talking about Exclusive updates only for high-end devices and that means that low-end devices don't get an update (Leaving them behind). Also you say high-end devices get to go to the nether and low-end devices have to use The Reactor (Leaving them behind).
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#12 Nov 25, 2012
Because Johan doesn't want older devices to lag.
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#13 Nov 25, 2012
leaving them behind is not letting them use features others can use, and did we ever even think that maybe you don't have to be in the nether for it to lag your device.
as in, having another world just waiting for you to enter may be to much on a phone.
also just because you have an iPhone 5 and want the nether doesn't mean others with an iPhone 3G wouldn't.
so mainly I mean to say, don't be selfish please.
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#14 Nov 26, 2012
Minecraft pocket edition doesn't support 3G. It's only for 3GS plus. If the nether hasn't even been rendered yet than there shouldn't be lag at all. Only by entering the nether does it allow for lag and even then it shouldn't be too much.
I think you'd better educate yourself a little. One update doesn't mean your previous device will be thrown into the dumps. The nether could be the only update that's exclusive for high end devices. Your device will still receive other updates so what your talking about is nonsense. I think you'd better do your homework before you go out and call someone "cold hearted" without knowing what they really mean.
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#15 Nov 26, 2012
ugh, not everyone has enough money for a high end device!!!!
be considerate!
Also how would you get to the nether??? a portal would cause tttooooooonnnnnnnnnns of lag, even on high end devices! The game would also crash and the sound from the portal (if implemented) would cause more lag.
#screwthenether
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#16 Nov 26, 2012
Please elaborate upon your statement "a portal would cause tttoooooooonnnnnnnnnns of lag, even on high end devices", today's high end tablets and phones have close to the same processing power of a laptop in which minecraft and the nether run fine in. So please explain this further
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#17 Nov 26, 2012
there's no nether because so many whiny idiots are bothering him for it. thats my opinion. although prodigousgawd does make a legit argument.
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#18 Nov 26, 2012
*long breath* can we please stop arguing *cough* i'm right *cough*
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#19 Nov 26, 2012
I got my black 32gb iPhone 5 for $125 at RadioShack... thats not that much at all really, all you need to do is just take 5 or 10 dollars from your pay check (if you even have a job...) and put it off to the side and slowly you'll have enough, if you don't have a job, ask for one for your birthday or Christmas, your family will help you out! now see its not that hard to save up a little money to get yourself something nice. so don't say "ugh not everyone has enough money for a high end device!" because yes people do have the money!, they just don't want to spend it on a phone. unless your on food stamps or welfare and to lazy to get a job... and don't underestimate Johan's & arons coding abilities, I have faith they could make going thought the portal not laggy at all
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#20 Nov 26, 2012
One update for ALL devices 'period' Your argument is invalid.
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#21 Nov 26, 2012
These threads always start useless argument. The fact is, there is a broad spectrum of devices available that can run MCPE, but not all of them can keep up with the abilities of the more numerous high-end devices. Most devices can handle infinite terrain, can handle the nether, and can handle many other things that have been argued otherwise (too many to mention). People remain unaware that smartphones are the quickest advancing technology market out there, and that many phones are faster than the average desktop computer. However, this does not mean that all phones are this good, and that's why the developers aren't unleashing the power of today's mobile devices.
I'd just like the clarify, because this seems to be the default people go to when something isn't added to the game: Most devices can handle MCPE. It doesn't take up as many resources as you think.
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